they don't want any kind of revenue, any kind of taxes. some are ok with tax reform. but if you're going go through the text couple of years as a lawmaker you're dealing with a president who is liberal. i think that is an open question for the movement and for the party. >> rusty, i will start with you. if you were advising the conservatives within the republican party, what would you tell them to do for what robert is saying here, in terms of getting on the right course to solve this problem but, two, recognize you have elections coming up in a year and half. you have to deal with the political reality as well. what would you advising people that are coming out with republican budgets to do? >> we have to cut the budget. but we have to have a message -- >> that is not simple and you know it. >> of course it is simple. there are so much waste and fraud -- of course it is simple. >> it is understand but not simple to do. >> it is more simple than anything they are not doing, they are not trying to. the problem is -- >> you have to face that fact. the people who are goi